matias Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 [quote name='Venger' date='02 June 2010 - 04:54 PM' timestamp='1275490499' post='470289']Trust me I can prove anything with "facts" even that the earth is flat if you really want me to.[/quote] Please do. This will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matias Posted June 2, 2010 Author Share Posted June 2, 2010 [quote name='matias' date='02 June 2010 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1275503897' post='470327'] [quote name='Venger' date='02 June 2010 - 04:54 PM' timestamp='1275490499' post='470289']Trust me I can prove anything with "facts" even that the earth is flat if you really want me to.[/quote] Please do. This will be interesting. [/quote] And let me stress the fact I usually find Ray makes coherent and valuable statements. I just think this time he his probably wrong. So it is not a personal attack or anything against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 [quote name='matias' date='02 June 2010 - 02:44 PM' timestamp='1275504264' post='470330'] [quote name='matias' date='02 June 2010 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1275503897' post='470327'] [quote name='Venger' date='02 June 2010 - 04:54 PM' timestamp='1275490499' post='470289']Trust me I can prove anything with "facts" even that the earth is flat if you really want me to.[/quote] Please do. This will be interesting. [/quote] And let me stress the fact I usually find Ray makes coherent and valuable statements. I just think this time he his probably wrong. So it is not a personal attack or anything against him. [/quote] And I didn't take it as one. I will do some research on this but it is going to be very one sided and the "proof" that I will present will be ridiculous. The point of the challenge was when things are taken out of context or only one groups point of view is stated as a FACT your just not going to get the truth. Many people state opinion as fact (Mr.Limbaugh I talking to you) and people then take that "fact" into an argument. but I will get you your facts to prove the earth is flat,just you wait. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matias Posted June 2, 2010 Author Share Posted June 2, 2010 [quote name='Venger' date='02 June 2010 - 08:55 PM' timestamp='1275504927' post='470332'] And I didn't take it as one. I will do some research on this but it is going to be very one sided and the "proof" that I will present will be ridiculous. The point of the challenge was when things are taken out of context or only one groups point of view is stated as a FACT your just not going to get the truth. Many people state opinion as fact (Mr.Limbaugh I talking to you) and people then take that "fact" into an argument. but I will get you your facts to prove the earth is flat,just you wait. Ray [/quote] That's the spirit! And I fully agree with you by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafabey Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Gee, Ray, ya mean the Earth isn't flat??? Seriously,we can find "facts" to support any position and prove any point. The same thing happens in religion, you can find a quote in the Bible,Koran or Buddhist sutras to support any issue you want. Mr. Limbaugh is particularly good at presenting half truths to support his positions, for example, but he is not the only one. Seems to me one thing you can count on politicians to do is lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 well use your eyes. While i see humps and bumps, i do not see the earth "curving". what more proof do you need than what you can see with your own eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 [quote name='mushrat' date='02 June 2010 - 04:51 PM' timestamp='1275511883' post='470354'] well use your eyes. While i see humps and bumps, i do not see the earth "curving". what more proof do you need than what you can see with your own eyes? [/quote] thank you sir that was my opener and you just confirmed what I already knew. Fact #1 is on the table. more to come. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Wait.... What?! The earth is really flat? Those mofos lied to me in elementary school!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 (edited) are we able to debate this topic? if so, when i use my eyes from outer space, i see this: [img]http://photography.si.edu/upload/Images/2648_Image_AS15-91-12342.jpg[/img] your turn... Edited June 3, 2010 by Arcane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 [quote name='Arcane' date='02 June 2010 - 07:02 PM' timestamp='1275523330' post='470384'] are we able to debate this topic? [/quote] x2.... I'z want in!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 [quote name='Arcane' date='02 June 2010 - 08:02 PM' timestamp='1275523330' post='470384'] are we able to debate this topic? if so, when i use my eyes from outer space, i see this: [img]http://photography.si.edu/upload/Images/2648_Image_AS15-91-12342.jpg[/img] your turn... [/quote] fact #2 it even looks flat from space when your looking down on it. Just like the top of the dining room table. If only they had taken the picture from the side we might have caught a glimpse of the bottom. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 [font=sans-serif][size=3]When a ship is at the horizon its lower part is invisible due to Earth's curvature.[/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 You serious, Ray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafabey Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 [img]http://makingmaps.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/flat-earth1.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 [quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='02 June 2010 - 08:26 PM' timestamp='1275524802' post='470391'] You serious, Ray? [/quote] not really. I was just making the point that facts need to be verified from several different sources and finding a source without bias. I said I could even use facts to prove the earth was flat knowing full well it is round (or is it...MINDFREAK) using so called facts. Then I was challenged to do so. So here we are. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 there is even a society of people who believe the earth is flat. How could so many people be wrong. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Haha, yeah, you can find "facts" anywhere on anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 shhit...you win.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charley Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wppjYDj9JUc[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matias Posted June 4, 2010 Author Share Posted June 4, 2010 The Earth is flat because if it were spherical like a suds bubble, it would likewise have popped long ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 cool....at 2:14, you can actually see the guy choke on the bullshit coming out of his mouth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidglass Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 [quote name='Venger' date='02 June 2010 - 08:13 PM' timestamp='1275523988' post='470388'] [quote name='Arcane' date='02 June 2010 - 08:02 PM' timestamp='1275523330' post='470384'] are we able to debate this topic? if so, when i use my eyes from outer space, i see this: [img]http://photography.si.edu/upload/Images/2648_Image_AS15-91-12342.jpg[/img] your turn... [/quote] fact #2 it even looks flat from space when your looking down on it. Just like the top of the dining room table. If only they had taken the picture from the side we might have caught a glimpse of the bottom. Ray [/quote] fact #2 debunked. If you look at a supposed flat object from multiple points of view and it appears the same from every vantage point, logic would dictate it is in fact a sphere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porksandwich9113 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 [quote name='liquidglass' date='04 June 2010 - 04:37 AM' timestamp='1275644259' post='470615'] [quote name='Venger' date='02 June 2010 - 08:13 PM' timestamp='1275523988' post='470388'] [quote name='Arcane' date='02 June 2010 - 08:02 PM' timestamp='1275523330' post='470384'] are we able to debate this topic? if so, when i use my eyes from outer space, i see this: [img]http://photography.si.edu/upload/Images/2648_Image_AS15-91-12342.jpg[/img] your turn... [/quote] fact #2 it even looks flat from space when your looking down on it. Just like the top of the dining room table. If only they had taken the picture from the side we might have caught a glimpse of the bottom. Ray [/quote] fact #2 debunked. If you look at a supposed flat object from multiple points of view and it appears the same from every vantage point, logic would dictate it is in fact a sphere [/quote] Shadows might tip off a person who has an IQ over 70 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 If its a ball how come the people on the bottom don't fall off. If its flat we just walk on the top as far as the picture goes I have a picture of me standing next to Sarah Mechelle Gellar sooo Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porksandwich9113 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 [quote name='Venger' date='04 June 2010 - 08:11 PM' timestamp='1275700275' post='470669'] If its a ball how come the people on the bottom don't fall off. If its flat we just walk on the top as far as the picture goes I have a picture of me standing next to Sarah Mechelle Gellar sooo Ray [/quote] Ever hear of newtons laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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