mustafabey Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Obama has been called many things. A communist,marxist, socialist,facist,anti christ among some namess, but recently the question of his faith has surfaced again. Franklin Graham has cleared it up for all time by saying that although Obama is a Christian now, he was born a Muslim as"the seed of Islam was given to him by his father" what ever that means. Anyway, theres a poll if you want to express your views, and by all means as Mush counsels us, lets be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 I could honestly care less what his religious beliefs are. I would hope he would set aside any religious beliefs and make decision based on the constitution. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Who cares? Nowhere in the Constitution does it make any explicit references to Christianity. Why should it matter? Would this issue come up if he were suspected of being anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porksandwich9113 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1282494558' post='479890'] Who cares? Nowhere in the Constitution does it make any explicit references to Christianity. Why should it matter? Would this issue come up if he were suspected of being anything else? [/quote] If it says anything, it says church and state should be separate. That means it doesn't matter what he believes, his decisions should not be influenced by religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 If he was Muslim he would have been sworn in on the Qur'an, which he was not. So no, he is not Muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 I'm very skeptical about all "organized" religion that insists it's and only it's dogma is valid. I'm actually more impressed with what I've heard of him - that he and his family pray daily directly to God and leave out the middle men who want what many think is the most powerful man on the planet to take this side or that one by choosing a public "faith". 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srawas89 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 [quote name='mustafabey' timestamp='1282487827' post='479883'] Obama has been called many things. A communist,marxist, socialist,facist,anti christ among some namess, but recently the question of his faith has surfaced again. Franklin Graham has cleared it up for all time by saying that although Obama is a Christian now, he was born a Muslim as"the seed of Islam was given to him by his father" what ever that means. Anyway, theres a poll if you want to express your views, and by all means as Mush counsels us, lets be nice. [/quote] Basically what Franklin Graham was saying was that his father was a Muslim so he was technically born a Muslim. He decided to convert at some point in time (Obama) to Christianity. Its like being born Catholic because your parents were Catholic but deciding that you wanted to convert to Islam later in life. This is the way I see it and it makes sense because if he really was a Muslim there would have been a lot more attention on it during the presidential campaign. But regardless I do not think that it matters much as long as he is doing his Job and is trying to fix America's problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSH-AZ Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 He's not a muslim, it's sad that 1 in 5 people in this country belive that. Either way, I don't care what his religious beliefs are, religion has NO place in polotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Glad everyone so far is sane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra Mint Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 hes a zionist so it doesnt matter what religon he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 oh boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafabey Posted August 24, 2010 Author Share Posted August 24, 2010 Here is America's problem with Middle East peace. How can America attempt to broker peace while a good segment of the world including most of Dar al Islam percieves America and Israels staunch ally? Peace talks have set for sometime in September. It really has little to do with peace, Neither Netanyahu, who won't stop settlements, or Abbas, who no longer represents all of Palestine, is at all thrilled by the prospects of more talks. Its just politics, timed to influence an upcoming election. If peace is going to happen, you are probably going to have to have Hamas at the table, too. Although there are plenty of Israelis who would do what is necessary for peace, Netanyahu and his government aren't among them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingsMaster Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 who cares about religion, now what hes doing in the white house.... that we should be worrying about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1282494558' post='479890'] Who cares? Nowhere in the Constitution does it make any explicit references to Christianity. Why should it matter? Would this issue come up if he were suspected of being anything else? [/quote] Don't know your constitution all that well, eh? I quote Article 7, the Ratification Documents... "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our L*rd one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven" Does that say L*rd? By george, it DOES!!!! Case closed. you are wrong. Next? As for the President's religion.... I have heard the not-so-rev Wright. I am hoping he is a Muslim, because the alternative is horrifying! Edited October 8, 2010 by TheScotsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 [quote name='TheScotsman' timestamp='1286510173' post='484312'] [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1282494558' post='479890'] Who cares? Nowhere in the Constitution does it make any explicit references to Christianity. Why should it matter? Would this issue come up if he were suspected of being anything else? [/quote] Don't know your constitution all that well, eh? I quote Article 7, the Ratification Documents... "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our L*rd one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven" Does that say L*rd? By george, it DOES!!!! Case closed. you are wrong. Next? As for the President's religion.... I have heard the not-so-rev Wright. I am hoping he is a Muslim, because the alternative is horrifying! [/quote] It also says "Lord" in the Qur'an. Lord is a title, when capitalized in this type of usage, generally referring to Divinity, but not to God by denomination or any particular religion specifically. And it appears in every religion. I know you know that, just as you know I'm messing with you. How the wolfhound? 'Rani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 [quote name='Rani' timestamp='1286510971' post='484314'] [quote name='TheScotsman' timestamp='1286510173' post='484312'] [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1282494558' post='479890'] Who cares? Nowhere in the Constitution does it make any explicit references to Christianity. Why should it matter? Would this issue come up if he were suspected of being anything else? [/quote] Don't know your constitution all that well, eh? I quote Article 7, the Ratification Documents... "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our L*rd one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven" Does that say L*rd? By george, it DOES!!!! Case closed. you are wrong. Next? As for the President's religion.... I have heard the not-so-rev Wright. I am hoping he is a Muslim, because the alternative is horrifying! [/quote] It also says "Lord" in the Qur'an. Lord is a title, when capitalized in this type of usage, generally referring to Divinity, but not to God by denomination or any particular religion specifically. And it appears in every religion. I know you know that, just as you know I'm messing with you. How the wolfhound? 'Rani. [/quote] Oops! Forgot............. In this case they weren't even using it as a title, but as a direct translation in English from the Latin dealing with date of "Anno Domini" which translates into English as "year of our/the Lord". So sorry, your are incorrect Scotsman. In this case, it does not specify a religion, but simply a documentation of the date. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coleman Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Im surprised this hasnt been said yet, well it may have i kinda skimmed and people hinted at this but didnt flat out say it, but the thing about it is he may be muslim for all we know if he is it does not matter because we are a country (united states of america) that was founded to escape religious persecution and in these last few years we have lost sight of that. We always have had issues with it but in the past few years it has reached to a new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. B Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 (edited) nevermind Edited October 8, 2010 by Dr. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 [quote name='Coleman' timestamp='1286512894' post='484317'] Im surprised this hasnt been said yet, well it may have i kinda skimmed and people hinted at this but didnt flat out say it, but the thing about it is he may be muslim for all we know if he is it does not matter because we are a country (united states of america) that was founded to escape religious persecution and in these last few years we have lost sight of that. We always have had issues with it but in the past few years it has reached to a new level. [/quote] Well said, sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafabey Posted October 8, 2010 Author Share Posted October 8, 2010 [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1286561986' post='484396'] [quote name='Coleman' timestamp='1286512894' post='484317'] Im surprised this hasnt been said yet, well it may have i kinda skimmed and people hinted at this but didnt flat out say it, but the thing about it is he may be muslim for all we know if he is it does not matter because we are a country (united states of america) that was founded to escape religious persecution and in these last few years we have lost sight of that. We always have had issues with it but in the past few years it has reached to a new level. [/quote] Well said, sir! [/quote] I've done my share of commentary on these political and social issues. I am always very much amazed(I've lived in the bush too long) anyway amazed at how all of you respond with such peace, acceptance and tolerance,how you can easily cut thru the bullshit and see truth, no matter which side of the issue your on(both sides being right). I could easily entrust American government to a group of citizens with such compassion. Has the contemplative nature of narghile and mo'assel caused us all to pause a bit and be still? For in stillness there is always peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for calling it nargile and mu'assal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coleman Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 Thank you for that. And I believe i see it from both sides because you cant understand everything about a topic by just seeing it from a single view. In a way life is like a movie shot that gets repeated over and over again from different angles, it gets annoying but it has a point to it haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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