The idealized world can be made reality if people get up and do something about it. I am a logician, realist and skeptic and with all three of these worldviews, what I said is not only plausible but possible. Religious organizations/nonprofit were (and often are) at the root of most social work before it was governmentalized. Many hospitals have some sort of religious theme attached to them as it stems from the same provisional-to-the-poor mentality. Orphanages? Same thing. Food pantry? Slang nominclature for free food stores are the Deacon's Pantry (not to be confused with the Deacon's Panty). Society, for America, was not built on the 'greater good' or punishing the lawful to prevent the unlawfulness but was mostly given to individual freedoms. Unfortunately, this was never carried out to its proper length but it was tried and worked for a long time. Laws that restrict the law abiding citizing are terrible and not what the forefathers had in mind when constructing our government. Of course, I don't think the Consitution is much of a living document so if you think this is the case, we're at a moot point. Giving away 50 bucks a month or 5-10 percent of one's income isn't unreasonable and it not a push-comes-to-shove issue. I am guessing everyone on this board has enough food and plenty of shelter. After all you, like me, are smoking shisha, accessing the internet and own a computer... Hell, I'd encourage everyone to give away five solid dollars of money to some sort of charity a month... if nothing else, you can selfishly feel good knowing your five bucks went to something greater than a combo meal at your favorite junk food establishment (Chipotle, for me). Greed isn't the issue, its mostlly complacency... especially in my observation of America. What do you mean by free market and regulation? The two are polar opposites as I understand them. The free market, unregulated, weeds out inferior/unsafe/unstable entities because of competition and repeat business. God, I missed this board! You guys are the best! QUOTE (Bulldog_916 @ Sep 6 2008, 12:56 AM) I agree with you up to a point. In an idealized world, maybe someone would go to the hospital and help an underprivileged family with their medical expenses. Maybe the free market would work as it is supposed to. Maybe religion and policy would somehow be able to go together in harmony. Maybe people could be trusted with automatic weapons or handguns. Or even explosives would only be used to mine or clear land for roadways. But I hate to burst the ideological bubble here, but greed, human nature and power hungriness trumps all of that. It's almost without fail. No one unless it was forced upon them would seriously go to a hospital and fork over 50 bucks to help a single mom take care of her doctor's expenses. We like to think that we would, but when push came to shove, we would keep our money in our pockets because we are all greedy. That's why taxes are a necessary, if imperfect, evil. It's in the Constitution under the 16th Amendment. "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." Now, you may be asking "Well, what about the 24th Amendment that protects your right to vote even if you have not paid taxes?" And I say that is true, but that does not make it constitutional not to pay taxes as the 16th points out. Checks and balances. That's why regulation is almost a prerequisite to having any working service in place. Greed will undoubtedly take precedence over the greater welfare of the masses. That's what happened here in California, that's what's happening now in the case of the Freddie-Fannie takeover. More regulation is what's needed to make sure that the free market can work within limits. Checks and balances.