Scalliwag Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 The Bush administration tried and succeeded at keeping a lid on the details of who knew what and when until after the 2004 Presidential elections. The details like Cheney's notes on the Wilson article would have cost GW the election. So instead of coming clean early they sought to buy time. Scooter tried to play dumb and lied and it got him convicted. Now repubs are calling for him to be pardoned because they say he should never have been questioned anyways because a crime was not commited. Hmmmmm, getting a consensual BJ is not illegal either and something someone should not have to testify about either ya know? Clinton was convicted and impeached for lying about a legal matter. To me this is funny as hell. Scooter put his ass on the line for his party to win an election and now he will need to rely on appeals or a pardon to get him off the hook.I will put my money that just like his Dad, GW will wait until after the 2008 elections to pardon Libby and no telling how many of his cronies will need pardoning by then. His Dad pardoned Weinberger and a bunch of people that could have testified against him on Christmas eve after he lost re-election. So what do you guys think? Is he the fallguy on this? Did politics and an election give him an excuse to perjure himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingjunkie Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 That whole admin is a bunch of weaseley, crooked, incompetent, lying, SOB's. I hope they all get what's coming to 'em. I feel sorry for anyone who is duped by all their BS rhetoric. You know our country is in the shitter when that crew can be elected TWICE, and the best answer the Dems can put up are people like Kerry and Hillary. We are Rome in fast forward. I give it about 15 years before the U.S. becomes a second world country like Russia is. That's if we don't cause WWIII in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 the evidence that GW used on making the Niger uranium claim was an obvious forgery. The FBI and state department knew almost immediately because it was written on a letterhead of a Niger official that had been out of his position for over 10 years. George Tenet had the reference removed from the state of the union because of this but someone(s) wanted it as well as the bogus story on the aluminum tubes.Intelligence was being cherrypicked and ignored and Cheney was personally interviewing lower level CIA analysts that felt pressured. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?p...p;notFound=trueBush should demand Cheney's resignation and appoint whoever he sees as being the best potential candidate for 2008. Kill two birds with one stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypherkk Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 clinton wasn't impeached. lol If he was impeached gore would be president. rofl.None of this has anything to do with the republicans anymore than democrats hell, politics as usual. The question is how do we get both parties to start acting right, or have they really ever.Anyways this was a fun read, check out people Clinton didn't have to pardon.People Clinton Didn't Have to Pardon>> This is what happens when you have dirt on Clinton:>>>>>>>> 1-James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an>> apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key>> witness in Ken Starr's investigation.>>>>>>>> 2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at>> a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after>> she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White>> House.>>>>>> 3- Vince Foster - Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary>> Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the>> head, ruled a suicide.>>>>>>>> 4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported>> to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to >the>> investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull>> resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being>> investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with>> prosecutors.>>>>>>>> 5- C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton>> fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July>>>> 1992.>>>>>>>> 6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found>> dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by>> Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted>> advisor".>>>>>>>> 7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the>> woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey>> died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton>> groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved>> in several Clinton fund raising events.>>>>>>>> 8-Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little>> Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little>> Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He>> allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files>> were mysteriously removed from his house.>>>>>>>> 9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had>> a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who>> visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.>>>>>>>> 10-James>> Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging >suicide. He>> was reported to have ties to Whitewater.>>>>>>>> 11-Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found>> dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was>> ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if>> she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with>> Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible>> corroborating witness for Paula Jones.>>>>>>>> 12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.>> Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in>> June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of>> his fiancee.>>>>>>>> 13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by>> jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a>> convicted drug distributor.>>>>>>>> 14-Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was>> related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of>> three gunshot wounds.>>>>>>>> 15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was>> Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the>> head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.>>>>>>>> 16-Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978>> until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.>>>>>>>> 17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport>> and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists,>> apparently, in the middle of his investigation.>>>>>>>> 18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport>> with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found>> dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had>> delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.>>>>>>>> 19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust>> Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony>> August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.>>>>>>>> 20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron>> Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996.>> Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department>> of Commerce.>>>>>>>> 21-Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John>> Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small>> plane crash.>>>>>>>> 22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care>> Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane>> crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory >council>> personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.>>>>>>>> 23-Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no>> accident.>>>>>>>> 24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton>> in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after>> his car had hit a utility pole.>>>>>>>> 25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a>> >purported suicide and his report was never released.>>>>>>>> 26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1,>> >1994 when his plane exploded.>>>>>>>> 27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case.>> >Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport>> drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said,>> due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had>> been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case>> >died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.>>>>>>>> THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:>>>>>>>> 28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a>> >truck, 7/88.>>>>>>>> 29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988>>>>>>>> 30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.>>>>>>>> 31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash >dump>> in April 1989.>>>>>>>> 33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death>> was due to "natural causes".>>>>>>>> 34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his>> pickup truck in June 1990.>>>>>> 35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed>> in a set-up robbery July 1989.>>>>>>>> THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:>>>>>>>> 36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.>>>>>>>> 37-Captain Scott J. Reynolds>>>>>>>> 38-Sgt. Brian Hanley>>>>>>>> 39-Sgt. Tim Sabel>>>>>>>> 40-Major General William Robertson>>>>>>>> 41-Col. William Densberger>>>>>>>> 42-Col. Robert Kelly>>>>>>>> 43-Spec. Gary Rhodes>>>>>>>> 44-Steve Willis>>>>>>>> 45-Robert Williams>>>>>>>> 46-Conway LeBleu>>>>>>>> 47-Todd McKeehan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicklecow Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 QUOTE (cypherkk @ Mar 16 2007, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>clinton wasn't impeached. lol If he was impeached gore would be president. rofl.Yes he was. Impeachment is the indictment, not the conviction. "rofl" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 Okay Cypher, since you don't think Clinton was impeached I think you may have a hard time following this but try. If Clinton had all these people killed off why did he let Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Ken Starr, Rush Limpdick, etc. etc. etc. live? There is a leftwing book about Bush that goes into that same kind of shit. But Clinton was impeached for a blowjob when they could have had him on about 80 murder charges? That fugger is damn lucky or somebody is damn stupid A guy whose motorcycle hit the back of a truck? HA!!! I really hope there is more to that story than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Midnight Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 [quote name='cypherkk' date='Mar 16 2007, 12:05 AM' post='113224']clinton wasn't impeached. lol If he was impeached gore would be president. rofl.None of this has anything to do with the republicans anymore than democrats hell, politics as usual. The question is how do we get both parties to start acting right, or have they really ever.Anyways this was a fun read, check out people Clinton didn't have to pardon.People Clinton Didn't Have to Pardon>> This is what happens when you have dirt on Clinton:>>Ok, well try this one on for size. Iraq war: Over 3,000 US soldiers dead. Over 300,000 Iraqis killed.Doesn't take a conspiracy theory to see who gets screwed here, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted June 5, 2007 Author Share Posted June 5, 2007 Well Scooter got 30 years and from the sound of things it does not sound like the judge is leaning towards letting him stay free pending appeal. If that is the case this could get real interesting real quick. The judge will make his decision next Tuesday. That gives Scooter some time to think. If Bush pardons him we can only speculate that he is covering his own ass. This should get fun if he has to report to prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insidius Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Mar 7 2007, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hmmmmm, getting a consensual BJ is not illegal either and something someone should not have to testify about either ya know?Actually, it is illegal in Washington D.C., among other places.Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Virginia and Washington D.C.*shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerznPerversion Posted June 5, 2007 Share Posted June 5, 2007 QUOTE (insidius @ Jun 5 2007, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Mar 7 2007, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hmmmmm, getting a consensual BJ is not illegal either and something someone should not have to testify about either ya know?Actually, it is illegal in Washington D.C., among other places.Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Virginia and Washington D.C.*shrugs*damn district of colombia! Hmm how do we know where he got his bj! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted June 5, 2007 Author Share Posted June 5, 2007 I wonder how often it is enforced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Jun 5 2007, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well Scooter got 30 years and from the sound of things it does not sound like the judge is leaning towards letting him stay free pending appeal. If that is the case this could get real interesting real quick. The judge will make his decision next Tuesday. That gives Scooter some time to think. If Bush pardons him we can only speculate that he is covering his own ass. This should get fun if he has to report to prison.I think it's 30 months, not years. I hope he drops the soap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 QUOTE (insidius @ Jun 5 2007, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Mar 7 2007, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hmmmmm, getting a consensual BJ is not illegal either and something someone should not have to testify about either ya know?Actually, it is illegal in Washington D.C., among other places.Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Virginia and Washington D.C.*shrugs*Down hur in Oklahomie they call that thur oral sodomy.Truth. I heard it on the news once. I was like "wtf is oral sodomy"? Wasn't anything like I had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share Posted June 6, 2007 Haha! I knew it was months... why the hell I put years may have been wishful thinking. Now that the CIA admitted she was covert at the time she was outed I really wish Fitzgerald would prosecute Armitage for the actual crime. The argument the repubs are using that it was okay for Libby to lie and obstruct because Fitzgerald should not have pursured the case is incredible. It wasn't that long ago that that repubs thought perjury under even less serious situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share Posted June 14, 2007 Well Scooter has to report to prison during the appeal. Now one of two things happen. A higher court judge with Bush sympathies will throw the case out or Bush will pardon him.All the major republican nominees seem to think Libby was wronged. Most of the public thinks Libby should not get off. The dems need to hold the repubs on this and use it against them. So far none of the repubs are accepting that the Bush administration has even unethical let alone criminal behavior. So if they do not see any of this as problems I guess they would not see any of it as bad in their own administrations.The repub presidential hopefuls may want to rethink their positions because the public is going to see the next chain of events as a coverup and if they conveniently change their tune too late... the can kiss the Whitehouse goodbye. So many of the repubs are set to lose in the senate and house that they may want to grow some balls and start calling for Bush and Cheney's heads pretty soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted July 3, 2007 Author Share Posted July 3, 2007 Well today GW Bush and in my view the ENTIRE republican party showed their cards. It was not that long ago when lying about consensual sex under oath was the most horrific crime of the century. But today from all I have read the party as a whole believe it is okay to lie under oath and obstruct justice if you are a republican. Scooter Libby was convicted by a jury and sentenced by a republican appointed judge. The evidence that he was guilty was so strong that even a three judge panel, two of which were republicans said that Scooter was guilty as charged and his legal counsel did not provide any argument worthy of him escaping staying out of prison during appeal.I have said many times that republicans are as loyal as nazis were to Hitler. Today proved every bad thing I have ever said about them. None of which I will ever take back. They are still the party of Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon. They are the most evil and vile party of American politics. Hopefully todays events puts the party out of business.http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/02/lib...ence/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Midnight Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 QUOTE (Scalliwag @ Jul 2 2007, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well today GW Bush and in my view the ENTIRE republican party showed their cards. It was not that long ago when lying about consensual sex under oath was the most horrific crime of the century. But today from all I have read the party as a whole believe it is okay to lie under oath and obstruct justice if you are a republican. Scooter Libby was convicted by a jury and sentenced by a republican appointed judge. The evidence that he was guilty was so strong that even a three judge panel, two of which were republicans said that Scooter was guilty as charged and his legal counsel did not provide any argument worthy of him escaping staying out of prison during appeal.I have said many times that republicans are as loyal as nazis were to Hitler. Today proved every bad thing I have ever said about them. None of which I will ever take back. They are still the party of Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon. They are the most evil and vile party of American politics. Hopefully todays events puts the party out of business.http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/02/lib...ence/index.html There is a word for their combined actions: Treason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle G~Dogg Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 < Uncle G~Dogg tucks away his voter registration card... > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarredmind Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 QUOTE (sicklecow @ Mar 16 2007, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (cypherkk @ Mar 16 2007, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>clinton wasn't impeached. lol If he was impeached gore would be president. rofl.Yes he was. Impeachment is the indictment, not the conviction. "rofl"+1 Thank you. "rofl" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofdavid Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Scalliwag, you sure called that one. I am not conspiratorial or unnecessarily critical. It is like when Clinton sold technology/secrets to China. All the intern innuendo was smoke and screens for something much more serious. Bombing of Serbian people remind anyone of anything?All of this makes third party candidates seem that much more appealing. I encourage you to vote that way in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted July 3, 2007 Author Share Posted July 3, 2007 Clinton did not sell technology/secrets to China. Just the wording alone is wrong in every sense of the word, but I do know why that is a popular way to phrase it. He allowed Hughes to sell technology after being assured by the intelligence community it was nothing they could not get from other countries. It is one of those things that sounded good as a comeback for Reagan selling actual missiles to Iran. That was smoke and mirrors alright. Nobody in their right mind thought selling actual missiles to a terrorist country that kidnapped our citizens on two occassions was anything short of treason. Ken Starr spent 80 million dollars bouncing from investigating a real estate deal, to a suicide, to a blowjob. Repubs even investigated Clinton for his fuggin Christmas card list. What I remember about Serbians getting bombed? I remember Serbs were committing genocide on Albanians. I remember a plan led by Wes Clark with an exit strategy as well as a successful mission. Serbs got bombed? One helluva lot worse happened and is happening in the never ending Iraq war. Clinton pardoned people he shouldn't have. Bush Sr. pardoned damn near his entire cabinet after he lost his re-election bid. The best thing repubs can do is try and make others sound more corrupt than them.... but that is not the facts. We don't need a third party, we need a replacement party for the republicans. After that crap with Libby yesterday it appears to me the republicans need to go the way that the nazis did in Germany. Hell these guys just tried to make their own fourth branch for Cheney. People that do not learn history are easily bullshitted and the famous saying "those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it". People that get their history from a fat drug addicted 4 times married yet family values radio host are even worse because these lame asses actually think they know something. Just because someone repeats repeats repeats bullshit does not make it gold.As far as third parties. Think of just how bad Jesse Ventura's fiasco went.Sorry guys, that whole Libby thing pisses me off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofdavid Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 I think you misunderstood my point of pointing out Clintons errors. It isn't Bush Jr. > Clinton. It's Bush = Clinton.People are raising hell of the firing of attorneys. Clinton fired several former Republican aides and pending an investigation no reason was given for their termination. The investigation came from Kenneth Starr an "impartial third party."Clinton pardoned over 120 people in office on his last day. Some of them suspiciously close to Bill or Hilary's family or to themselves. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton)Don't forget about "Filegate" and all the other Clinton administrator blunders and oppressive tax increases (30-40% given to an already bloated and gluttonous Uncle Sam on gift taxes and paid vacations, thanks a lot Bubba).The "assault weapons ban of 1994" which had no scientific data to represent facts vs crime and instead had people picking out guns and banning them based on how they looked. Clinton bombing aspirin factories and a near by hospital in 1998 is very wrong. Comparing it to the Iraq War doesn't make it any less wrong.My point isnt Repulibcans are better than Democrats, or vice versa. My point is that American politics are killing us all and making us look the arsehole (Queen's English... )!As my dead grandpa used to say, its the same old shit wearing a different hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahwahoo2006 Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Just a point of clarification. Bush did not pardon Libby, he commuted, or reduced his sentence. A pardon is when the crime is completely forgiven. I am not a Republican (nor am I a Democrat), but as a comparison, Bush has commuted the sentences of 3 people during his terms in office, while Clinton commuted the sentences of 61 people (Source: Washington Post 7/4/07) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted July 4, 2007 Author Share Posted July 4, 2007 QUOTE (ghostofdavid @ Jul 4 2007, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think you misunderstood my point of pointing out Clintons errors. It isn't Bush Jr. > Clinton. It's Bush = Clinton.People are raising hell of the firing of attorneys. Clinton fired several former Republican aides and pending an investigation no reason was given for their termination. The investigation came from Kenneth Starr an "impartial third party."Clinton pardoned over 120 people in office on his last day. Some of them suspiciously close to Bill or Hilary's family or to themselves. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton)Don't forget about "Filegate" and all the other Clinton administrator blunders and oppressive tax increases (30-40% given to an already bloated and gluttonous Uncle Sam on gift taxes and paid vacations, thanks a lot Bubba).The "assault weapons ban of 1994" which had no scientific data to represent facts vs crime and instead had people picking out guns and banning them based on how they looked. Clinton bombing aspirin factories and a near by hospital in 1998 is very wrong. Comparing it to the Iraq War doesn't make it any less wrong.My point isnt Repulibcans are better than Democrats, or vice versa. My point is that American politics are killing us all and making us look the arsehole (Queen's English... )!As my dead grandpa used to say, its the same old shit wearing a different hat.Oh, I understood it very well. You are implying that Clinton was as bad (maybe worse) than GW and that is just a crock of crap. I hope when you called Ken Starr "impartial" that was one helluva tongue in cheek. Especially if you read any bio on Ken Starr. He represented tobacco companies and was close to being found in contempt of congress because he had incriminating documents in his office he tried to use attorney/client priviledge to keep from turning them over. The judge asked him if he was saying that if a client hides evidence in their lawyers office if that should shield the client? Yes, it was that gawd damn stupid and argument from a man that would later complain about Clinton using executive priviledge for of all things, private conversation with his attorney? The difference in the reason people are raising hell about the attorney firings with Bush is that is appears he went after ones that would not go after democrats regardless of evidence or they seemed to punish ones that went after repubs (take convicted Duke Cunningham)One of the first investigations against Clinton was for firing the travel office staff so you can hardly say repubs were not a bit lame. As far as filegate? Compare that to unwarranted wiretaps and not having to disclose who or why? Could they have tapped the phones of political enemies? Hell, Nixon did.The aspirin factory story.... hmmmm, why did he bomb it? People like to say Monicagate. Clinton's Sec of Defense was a republican William Cohen. The CIA said "intelligence" showed the factory was terrorist related and made claims about chemicals in the soil around the factory. As far as those suspiciously close that were pardoned? His brother had served jail time. Susan McDougal had served jail time. Quite a bit actually. They paraded Susan McDougal around in leg irons, remember? The taxes? Who got hit by the taxes? The repubs said that the "Deficit Reduction Act" of 1993 was going to put us in a reccession. Who the fuck was right? Do you remember the great reccession of the 90's or maybe was it oh.... economic boom? When you talk about oppressive taxes just who was oppressed? Let's face it. That argument won't float.Assault weapons ban. Think about that term two seconds. Should assault weapons be banned? Sure there were devils in the details but anyone that thinks the right to bear arms means you should be able to have anything is a idiot. Hell, I want my own nuke... is that okay? See how ridiculius that gets? I guarantee that all parties in Germany in the 30's all had their own problems but I bet any of them would have been better for the rest of the world than the nazis. Which brings us to another point. The republicans have left us to where the rest of the world has little if any respect for us.Democrats have their problems but they pale to what the repubs have shown. GW was their best of the best.... I will take Bubba over his dumbass any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalliwag Posted July 4, 2007 Author Share Posted July 4, 2007 QUOTE (ahwahoo2006 @ Jul 4 2007, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just a point of clarification. Bush did not pardon Libby, he commuted, or reduced his sentence. A pardon is when the crime is completely forgiven. I am not a Republican (nor am I a Democrat), but as a comparison, Bush has commuted the sentences of 3 people during his terms in office, while Clinton commuted the sentences of 61 people (Source: Washington Post 7/4/07)For the record let's clarify what a commutation of the prison time "really" does here. The easy way to do this is to explain that Libby is part of a lawsuit by the Wilson's if Libby was pardoned he could not invoke the fifth if forced to testify in that case. But he could be jailed if he lied in that case. Basically the commutation was ingenious from an evil corrupt piece of shit perspective. Then again that describes just about everyone in the Bush cabinet. Now if we want to use numbers let's try this. Bush has received over 1000 requests for commutations. He has only issued as of now 4. If anything that does not look good. He said that the jail sentence was too harsh. Hmmmm... the numbers show that the average jail time in similar cases was 64 months. Libby received 30. But again there is a convenient reason to commute instead of pardon. Remember guys that Libby's defense said Libby was the fall guy. Okay, who did he take the fall for? If Libby is granted an appeal all of this stuff comes back up and Fitzgerald gets to go after them all over again. How many of you guys want to bet they drop the appeal before it makes it to a courtroom again? This shit is a lot deeper than it looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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