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The Facts And Truth About Soex 100% Tobacco Free Herbal Hookah

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Am I the only one that read this thread as "Get used to it because (eventually) you won't have a choice anyway"?

Lazria and Mushrat posted some good questions that weren't addressed.

I also find that defining "herbal" shisha as "healthier" is at least misleading. Some objective research would need to be done in order to say that it's true. What you're basically doing is saying that it's a healthy alternative to tobacco-based shisha and I can't agree with that.

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Soex is correct about there herbs, over the last 20 years there has been a search for a "safer cigarette", a study came up with this solution "Non-tobacco containing smoking product" http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4201228.html

"The product consists essentially of a mixture comprising sugar beet leaves, white beet leaves, sugar cane leaves and the inner white part of the grapefruit peel." Am not sure if Soex contains this, but it must be similar.

I dont think there is conclusive evidence that its safer than tobacco, to all those who say Soex isn't good, I have tasted a couple of Soex flavours. The first ever order was rasberry, it wasn't that good although I was a begginner at shisha at that time and I used 1 cheap quicklite coal.

After reading so many comments and seeing that many places are selling Soex, I bought 2 flavours, Watermelon and Mixed Fruit. I must say Mixedfruit was amazing for 15 minutes and then it went off and tasting like shit. The same happened to watermelon. The funny thing is the following week I packed another bowl and it last me around 45 minutes with the full taste.

One day on a cold night we went off to the beach, I brought 3 more new soex flavours I had which were "Mint, Orange, Double Apple & Mixed fruit". Out in the cold I packed a bowl of mint and that was the best shisha I have ever tasted, it freaked me out that I was getting clouds thicker than starbuzz! The flavour was simply amazing and lasted around 1 hour 15 minutes with full flavour, I noticed the coal burned slower and (2 3 Kings, No cover) lasted longer than the session I had inside the week earilier. I used a Standard Tangiers Tower Bowl with Glass Mod.

The second one was orange and that was lovely flavour, some of my friends said they prefered that over mint and the same thing happened, large clouds thicker than SB (2 3 kings, No cover) It lasted around the same as the other flavour. I used a Standard Tangiers Tower Bowl with Glass Mod. The mixed fruit wasn't bad but that could be possibly because I packed it in a much smaller bowl in a smaller shisha with no mod.

Did smoking outside in the cold play a major effect on the burning of Soex Herbal?

I gave some of the soex flavours to my friends (Orange, Mixed Fruit) with some 3 Kings and I asked them how it was they said it was good. But nothing like the mint we had on that night.

The only bad thing is there's no buzz, although a lot of you say you smoke so much that you can't get a buzz off tobacco shisha! Another wierd thing is its just like breathing in air with light pulls?!

Also about the smoking ban thing, too bad the shisha cafes can't switch in the UK. Smoke is smoke and its included in the smoking ban (its a smoking ban not tobacco according to the officals, they dont care) Edited by amnite

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A misconception that drives me crazy: nicotine is not carcinogenic, or intrinsically unhealthy. In fact, it is very mildly addictive, with the mechanism of delivery (serum levels peak in about 5 minutes after inhalation) being the important factor here. Which is why it's pretty much impossible to become addicted to patches. Furthermore, it helps prevent against a slew of neurodegenerative conditions, including Parkinson's.

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Well, the key word "Herbal" was released to show that it is non tobacco. Great quetion about how it got its name. Suger cane is not herbal but then again suger cane is not tobacco. Sugercane can not be registered as a smoking agent alone and molasses / glycerins can not be registered by itself as well. I believe the big papas / governments labeled the word "herbal" to classify non tobacco for taxing purposes. Even Black Label is not in real terms herbal. It is classified as herbal just like Soex because it is non tobacco. Even the import codes we use, Soex is classified after all the government tests to figure out the duties, is classified as an herbal smoking agent.

See, I am only, as stated multiple times, just the importer and distributor. It is not my job to classify it and I only go by what the government and manufacturer classifies Soex as. If Soex was made by Exotica, then I would be able to openly give you more detailed questions but in this matter, this is the best I can do. Also, after government tests, there are no other additives nicotine or tar in Soex.

Hope this helps, if not, sorry, I tried. I al enjoying reading the possitive and negative threads on Soex....

Gabriel
Exotic Imports USA
LetsHookah.com
The Home of Exotica Charcoals / Hookahs

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I tried some Soex Watermelon last night since some friends had bought some by mistake. It was pretty good for the first 20-30 minutes. Decent flavor, and thick smoke. It isn't as long-lasting as I'd like, but it was definitely better than I expected.

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Quick thought :-

How do we know that smoking sugar cane is any more 'better, healthier, less worse, not as bad as' than tobacco?

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QUOTE (Johnny_D @ Jan 5 2008, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Quick thought :-

How do we know that smoking sugar cane is any more 'better, healthier, less worse, not as bad as' than tobacco?


The government tells us so! biggrin.gif

Actually, that's one of the main reasons I'll probably never pay for Soex. I usually only smoke once every 1-2 weeks when classes are in, and I want it to be damn good when I do. Edited by Ralleac

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QUOTE (Johnny_D @ Jan 5 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Quick thought :-

How do we know that smoking sugar cane is any more 'better, healthier, less worse, not as bad as' than tobacco?


Precisely.
Hell, we don't even know this about Mu'assel yet... we have just heard biast New York Times reports and such. When there is a study telling me EXACTLY how bad Mu'assel is for my lungs and for my over-all health (other than my cotton ball test of course), maybe then Soex and traditional mu'assel can be compared.
And one more question, why can't Soex just improve their flavors? All they need to do is a little research on flavouring and they may be able to sell even more, maybe even to some of us.

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Yes, I have heard that from many regarding it lasting 40 mins or so. We know why and this problem will be solved when Exotica Comes out. We will master Exotica. Regarding Soex adding more flavour, believe it or not they think that they have the best product on the market. They refuse to listen to me and I am one of the larger distributors for them, so I say oh well and lets see what happens. They did say that the new batch they made is better, so we will find out in a month or so as I am awaiting for a container. Thanks

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Thanks ExoticaImports I am trusting you for making your herbal flavours better than Soex, also when you release the product could you give us tips on how to set it up to last the max.

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QUOTE (Johnny_D @ Jan 5 2008, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Quick thought :-

How do we know that smoking sugar cane is any more 'better, healthier, less worse, not as bad as' than tobacco?


was about to say that

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i looked into it a bit more, and along with the mentioned herbs, a majority of it is comprised of sugarcane leaves and stem.

on the tobacco note, 3% of the weight of a tobacco leaf is nicotine, nicotine disrupts the cell cycle. if a cell becomes cancerous(unable to control its rate of consumption or growth) it would normally kills itself. this happens all the time, unfortunately nicotine destroys this cycle and leaves the cancerous cells unchecked. i wish it werent so, but it is.

-Josh

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and why soex, black label herbal shisha is sooo much better. anyone who has tried can vouch

-Josh

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QUOTE (lofly44 @ Apr 1 2008, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and why soex, black label herbal shisha is sooo much better. anyone who has tried can vouch

-Josh


Why Soex? At leat for Exotic Imports, I'm guessing that since Black Label is made by Hookah Hookah domestically, EI could not be the exclusive importer.

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wow, for a minute I thought Gabe was back...where the hell did that guy go?

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QUOTE (r1v3th3ad @ Apr 1 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wow, for a minute I thought Gabe was back...where the hell did that guy go?


yeah i thought he was back too.. i think he fucked off about the whole issue with the bad coal batches.

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QUOTE (lofly44 @ Apr 1 2008, 05:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i looked into it a bit more, and along with the mentioned herbs, a majority of it is comprised of sugarcane leaves and stem.

on the tobacco note, 3% of the weight of a tobacco leaf is nicotine, nicotine disrupts the cell cycle. if a cell becomes cancerous(unable to control its rate of consumption or growth) it would normally kills itself. this happens all the time, unfortunately nicotine destroys this cycle and leaves the cancerous cells unchecked. i wish it werent so, but it is.

-Josh


There are no "herbs" mentioned by exotica imports. Those were silly guesses by members. The onmly thing in Soex is Sugar cane bagassey (which they hide by prionting it in pig latin, very upfront and honest) molasses and flavouring. So what doies your research say are the long term effects of smoking cellulose fiber?

And Gabe is GONE. Never to return.

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QUOTE (lofly44 @ Apr 1 2008, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i looked into it a bit more, and along with the mentioned herbs, a majority of it is comprised of sugarcane leaves and stem.

on the tobacco note, 3% of the weight of a tobacco leaf is nicotine, nicotine disrupts the cell cycle. if a cell becomes cancerous(unable to control its rate of consumption or growth) it would normally kills itself. this happens all the time, unfortunately nicotine destroys this cycle and leaves the cancerous cells unchecked. i wish it werent so, but it is.

-Josh


I always understood that the Nic does not cause cancer (but does cause addiction & possible heart problems). Cancer is caused by the carcinogens which come from the tars being smoked. Edited by Rompin Donkey

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QUOTE (Rompin Donkey @ Apr 1 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (lofly44 @ Apr 1 2008, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i looked into it a bit more, and along with the mentioned herbs, a majority of it is comprised of sugarcane leaves and stem.

on the tobacco note, 3% of the weight of a tobacco leaf is nicotine, nicotine disrupts the cell cycle. if a cell becomes cancerous(unable to control its rate of consumption or growth) it would normally kills itself. this happens all the time, unfortunately nicotine destroys this cycle and leaves the cancerous cells unchecked. i wish it werent so, but it is.

-Josh


I always understood that the Nic does not cause cancer (but does cause addiction & possible heart problems). Cancer is caused by the carcinogens which come from the tars being smoked.

no tar in shisha...right on the package

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QUOTE (r1v3th3ad @ Apr 1 2008, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Rompin Donkey @ Apr 1 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (lofly44 @ Apr 1 2008, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i looked into it a bit more, and along with the mentioned herbs, a majority of it is comprised of sugarcane leaves and stem.

on the tobacco note, 3% of the weight of a tobacco leaf is nicotine, nicotine disrupts the cell cycle. if a cell becomes cancerous(unable to control its rate of consumption or growth) it would normally kills itself. this happens all the time, unfortunately nicotine destroys this cycle and leaves the cancerous cells unchecked. i wish it werent so, but it is.

-Josh


I always understood that the Nic does not cause cancer (but does cause addiction & possible heart problems). Cancer is caused by the carcinogens which come from the tars being smoked.

no tar in shisha...right on the package


You burn anything organic, you are going to get tar. There may not be any added, but when you smoke shisha, you are going to get tar. With cigarettes, they add hundreds of chemicals to your paper and tobacco. Those are the killers. Of course, inhaling any particulate matter into your lungs, sugar cane bagassey, tobacco, mint leaves, ANYTHING and it's going to cause problems.

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QUOTE (mushrat @ Apr 1 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (r1v3th3ad @ Apr 1 2008, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Rompin Donkey @ Apr 1 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (lofly44 @ Apr 1 2008, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i looked into it a bit more, and along with the mentioned herbs, a majority of it is comprised of sugarcane leaves and stem.

on the tobacco note, 3% of the weight of a tobacco leaf is nicotine, nicotine disrupts the cell cycle. if a cell becomes cancerous(unable to control its rate of consumption or growth) it would normally kills itself. this happens all the time, unfortunately nicotine destroys this cycle and leaves the cancerous cells unchecked. i wish it werent so, but it is.

-Josh


I always understood that the Nic does not cause cancer (but does cause addiction & possible heart problems). Cancer is caused by the carcinogens which come from the tars being smoked.

no tar in shisha...right on the package


You burn anything organic, you are going to get tar. There may not be any added, but when you smoke shisha, you are going to get tar. With cigarettes, they add hundreds of chemicals to your paper and tobacco. Those are the killers. Of course, inhaling any particulate matter into your lungs, sugar cane bagassey, tobacco, mint leaves, ANYTHING and it's going to cause problems.

but your moreso vaporizing than burning...labeled no tar too, when cigs are labeled to have tar

also, wasnt there posts a little over a month ago with people putting cotton in their hose to prove no tar?

I dunno, just going from what I see, not trying to discredit
now what I believe is the carcinogens and such

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QUOTE (Rompin Donkey @ Apr 1 2008, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (lofly44 @ Apr 1 2008, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i looked into it a bit more, and along with the mentioned herbs, a majority of it is comprised of sugarcane leaves and stem.

on the tobacco note, 3% of the weight of a tobacco leaf is nicotine, nicotine disrupts the cell cycle. if a cell becomes cancerous(unable to control its rate of consumption or growth) it would normally kills itself. this happens all the time, unfortunately nicotine destroys this cycle and leaves the cancerous cells unchecked. i wish it werent so, but it is.

-Josh


I always understood that the Nic does not cause cancer (but does cause addiction & possible heart problems). Cancer is caused by the carcinogens which come from the tars being smoked.


+1, I learned all about this in nutrition class. Smoking anything of any substance creates carcinogens which give a chance of cell deformation which can possibly turn into a cancerous cell. Basically every time you smoke theres a chance of a chance of a chance that a cell could possibly maybe turn cancerous. Thats why most people smoke a long time before getting the big C.

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