Custom, Hand Made Funnel Bowls

[fifthmanstanding]

I highly doubt it's anything beyond basic colored glass like I was tought it was.

A glaze is just that, colored glass. Chemicals are used to change the color of the glass. I cannot support nor condone this endeavor until you are aware of the chemicals you use in your glazes.

If that's how you feel that's how you feel bro. I know for a fact enameled camp ware is 100% safe to eat on and utilizes the same non-lead bearing enamel I use. I also know that my enamelist professor does dishes, goblets and any other smithed dishes and enamels on them and they're save for food and drink consumption. When she returns from Italy I'll get further resources to show you.

[chromecarz00]

I wish I still worked at the Metal Fab shop were I worked until I got injured on the job. I have so many things that I want to make and could have.... Powder coat paint (not for the bowl of course)and the whole nine yards. Custom Laser work for any design for backgrounds to put in windows, make your names into key chains, bottle openers that look like a shark, whatever you can think of. Sounds pretty cool about the bowl, I wanna see some pics of your invention. I would buy one from you if all works out.

I know.....I was going to buy one of those machines to start some stuff but its just far too expensive...now I just etch it with my dremel...

[Dom]

I highly doubt it's anything beyond basic colored glass like I was tought it was.

A glaze is just that, colored glass. Chemicals are used to change the color of the glass. I cannot support nor condone this endeavor until you are aware of the chemicals you use in your glazes.

If that's how you feel that's how you feel bro. I know for a fact enameled camp ware is 100% safe to eat on and utilizes the same non-lead bearing enamel I use. I also know that my enamelist professor does dishes, goblets and any other smithed dishes and enamels on them and they're save for food and drink consumption. When she returns from Italy I'll get further resources to show you.

first of all, i like the idea. i'd be interested in maybe an egyptian style bowl. but here's my concern and it has to do with what Big Boss said.

so enameled camp ware is safe to eat off of, but would it react in a bad way if it were heated up to about 700 degrees or so? i forgot the exact temperature of the average coal, but it's pretty high and i know that I wouldn't want some chemical reaction in my bowl while i smoked it.

oh, and also. i'm pretty sure that you can make your own design of phunnel becuase MN hookah makes a phunnel.

[ender11122]

I highly doubt it's anything beyond basic colored glass like I was tought it was.

A glaze is just that, colored glass. Chemicals are used to change the color of the glass. I cannot support nor condone this endeavor until you are aware of the chemicals you use in your glazes.

If that's how you feel that's how you feel bro. I know for a fact enameled camp ware is 100% safe to eat on and utilizes the same non-lead bearing enamel I use. I also know that my enamelist professor does dishes, goblets and any other smithed dishes and enamels on them and they're save for food and drink consumption. When she returns from Italy I'll get further resources to show you.

first of all, i like the idea. i'd be interested in maybe an egyptian style bowl. but here's my concern and it has to do with what Big Boss said.

so enameled camp ware is safe to eat off of, but would it react in a bad way if it were heated up to about 700 degrees or so? i forgot the exact temperature of the average coal, but it's pretty high and i know that I wouldn't want some chemical reaction in my bowl while i smoked it.

oh, and also. i'm pretty sure that you can make your own design of phunnel becuase MN hookah makes a phunnel.

I read somewhere that MN made a deal with both scalli and eric that allows them to make their bowls and mods.

[Voski]

AVG coal was like 400 degrees and it spikes up to like 700 i think when you inhale. Don't quote me I am not certain about this at all its just the two numbers that pop up in my head. I read it once in that long research study about hookah.

[EternalSoil]

camp ware is made so that you could heat it up in a campfire which is much higher temperatures than the coals we use.

i think the temp is even less than that on inhale voski. and even less that is actually conducted by the bowl and stuff.

[chromecarz00]

Eternal is right. 400 is average, spikes to 550 usually.

[Dom]

great, then. now, that i know that it is safe even at high temperatures, i'm all for it. this could really be the start of something. i've seen stems and hose handles with designs like that but never in an actual bowl. that'd be so cool.

[fifthmanstanding]

My point about the enamel to begin with is that I use non-lead bearing, safe enamels that are one and the same as those used on campware that is yes, exposed to heat for cooking. The enamel fuses with the metal around the nieghborhood of 1520-1530 degrees farenheit, this means that since it's utilized under these temperatures there's nothing your hookah coal could do to it. But just to assure some more skeptical onlookers, I'm in the process of securing a list of ingredients for every enamel I use, because after all there's nothing wrong with being informed and trying to stay safe, can't blame anyone for that. That may take a week or two, being that the head of my Metal Design department is currently in Italy and is the only induvidual with the list and documentation of the enamels I buy through the school. When she returns I will proceed to talk to her further about that. So please wait patiently and keep throwing ideas out there at me until I can publish this.

Just to further reiterate, I work in brass, copper and silver. If you're interested in a simple brass bowl, I can do that too. If you'd like an egyptian bowl rather than a funnel-like bowl, I can do that too. It's all up to you and I would be more than happy to correspond with any of you for any ideas, no matter how off the wall, you have that you may be interested in working with me on.

Thanks again guys.

[Victim026]

My main concern is it being a metal bow... The ones I've seen haven't worked well at all.

[MeHT]

What if you just make a decorative metal housing for existing ceramic bowls? I agree, the heat conduction is an issue with metal bowls. Edited June 8, 2008 by MeHT

[NickReppinThe909]

patent? really? I figured they were like some kind of old arabic normalcy of hookah paraphernalia. How bout that. Is he a forum member I can talk to?

from what I can tell from scoops post on the ceramic screen. In essence, yes I can do it, the reason I say this is because ceramic when glazed utilize colored glass to make the colors and texture of ceramic glazes (granted the ceramic has very special heat absorbtion characteristics) these glazes are the same thing that's used on different base metals that smiths refer to as 'enamels', they're literally the same, so an enameled metal would look the same as glazed ceramic essentially. but my thoughts on this would be that yes, could utilize a few things in my metals repertoire and produce the same thing: an enameled screen cut to fit the size of the bowl of your choice.

pm me if you'd like to discuss this further. I don't want to dig myself a hole with promises before I get a prototype going on one of my own bowl but I'm confident I could do it. Gimme a few days and I'll see if I can get some photos up.

the phunnel was eric's accidental design he was working on an all liquid shisha and made the phunnel and it turned out working great for tobacco shisha

[fifthmanstanding]

What if you just make a decorative metal housing for existing ceramic bowls? I agree, the heat conduction is an issue with metal bowls.

In so many words yes it could be done, it would take a bit of redesigning,but it's something I was playing around with in my head a few weeks ago.

[fifthmanstanding]

Spent the day in the shop today working on a screen prototype. Results so far were interesting. Making Prototype #2 tomorrow, which is an improvement of a number of things with Prototype 1. Pretty satisfied so far. The enamel held up well to the heat from the coal. I used 3 exotica's about 1.5 inches long each. I want to buy a regular ceramic bowl to test them on, as the rig I'm working on so far is my monstrocity of a brass bowl I made last week, measuring 4 inches in diameter and holding one third of a cup of shisha, so needless to say my heat appropriations will be quite different than a normal bowl on a hookah. I'll keep you updated, looking up so far.