QUOTE (LilTank13 @ Mar 23 2007, 07:43 AM) Well, about the whole "ricer" comment: While I do agree that your average Civic, Integra, or the like can be riced out, I have seen a modded Civic OWN a Viper. Yeah, you can say the Civic was tuned, but even tuned, it cost about 40 large less than the Dodge. That is what the whole sport compact thing is about-kids who don't have retarded money to spend on a brand new muscle car. For the not so ricer things, such as Supras, show me a stock bottom end American car that has put 981 horsepower to the wheels, ON A STOCK BOTTOM END, and I will think much differently of them. Oh, and considering the fact that if it happened, it would be with no less than two more cylinders and probably no less than two more liters of the Sup's displacement. I just find it fascinating how much power they are capable of. That said, in the super car realm, a new Z06 would be hard to pass up for the money. I will completely agree that my 95 Jetta is very slow. However, not for long... It will only be slow... haha... Oh, and R32's are 3.2 liter V-6's. i've seen it too, and while the civic may have owned the viper, at the end of the day, one was still driving a civic, while the other was driving a viper.