QUOTE (r1v3th3ad @ May 17 2009, 02:09 PM) ... I would highly advise ordering off the internet if all you can find is herbal shisha...that stuff is bleh... For tobacco shisha, give Al Fakher and Nakhla a try for the more traditional...others to keep in mind that are excellent are Starbuzz, Fantasia, and Tangiers(a really tough on to master, but one of the best) If you want something more along the pipe tobacco line, give Jewel a try...almost everyone here will advise against it, but its not that bad, its made with cigar tobacco and you can still taste the tobacco when smoking. I would also recommend upgrading your pipe eventually...I have an idea of the one you are using... check out sites like http://www.mnhookah.com http://www.hookahjohn.com http://www.hookahcompany.com http://www.hookah-shisha.com to name a few...you'll find plenty of pipes, accessories, and shisha on those sites. Also, search around the forum and you will find discount codes for these websites ... thanks for the recommendations ... i am already planning on upgrading my pipe to something a bit bigger with a longer hose ... have already been looking through most of the sites you recommended seeing what they have and such ... will likely order in the next week... i think one local place has Starbuzz ... been a while since i been to that location though so not sure on their prices .. may try to check them out this week and see... i am sure most all of them are better then the herbal stuff (Soex is mostly all that can be found) ... but it ended up not being real bad after mixing with my normal tobacco ... (burley)