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i remember from history class that the date was dec 23, 2012...ill have just turne3d 25 two days before...gonna have a great birthday/end of the world party

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QUOTE (phishandfrolf @ Dec 9 2006, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just wondering what you guys think about this. Astronomers and the aztec predict the apocolypse is going to happen on 2012 (or is it 2010? someone should correct me if i am wrong about any of this information) I myself am a believer in astronomy and the aztecs were pretty smart about their stuff too. The Apocolypse may not be the world ending, but a new beginning. Perhaps we will evolve? I think its very possible, the world is getting warmer, humans and all living kinds will have to adapt to this if it continues. My mind has some pretty far stretched ideas but Im curious to see what you guys think before i post more.


1. The calendar you are referring to is the Maya Long Count Calendar not the Aztec Calendar.

2. This calendar did not predict the end of the world. This belief is the product of linear thinking but the Maya didn't measure time in a linear way but rather in cycles. The key to understanding any Mesoamerican calendar is to remember that they are repetitive.
On the Aztec Tonalpohualli and the Maya Tzolkin (the shorter of their calendars), these repetitive cycles are short enough to be obvious. Every 20 days, the same day name comes around with the same auspices. Every 260 days, the same name and number combinations repeat, giving exactly the same divinitory meanings all over again.

It's all about repitition. The Long Count Calendar was no different except it measures time in cycles of hundreds of years rather than in days, weeks, or months. It was divided in 13 cycles of 400 years, reffered to in the Maya language as baktuns when the 13th baktun passed the calendar reset itself. That's all. While the Maya may have placed a certain importance on the completion of such a cycle, it certainly wasn't anything that those deluded by New Age thought would understand. Trust me, when the 13th baktun passes and the calendar resets itself you'll feel exactly the same as you did...five minutes earlier. No aliens, no vibrating to a higher plane, and no end of the world as we know it.
Edited by Cacaoatl

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i wanna get raptured up. but i dont believe in god so i guess its back to the pits for me. but wait. if the mayan gods were the ones who predicted it... shit. i need some research to be saved.

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Forget mayan calendars and "the end of the world!@#!@$"

I'm waiting for Ragnarok.
So much cooler

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Well done cacaoatl. I was thinking... Crap, I'm going to have to set the record straight on this one... but you beat me to it. Thanks.

Although, I am hoping for a "critical mass" type shift in awareness by that time. We can hope anyway wink.gif Edited by tingjunkie

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Well it goes to show that information gets screwed up as it gets passed person to person. Thanks for the true info, i would have never known.

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ok forget the whole asteroid scenario...
Iran is gonna develop their nuclear weapons, then go on to threaten Israel.
Israel attacks, whole thing goes nuclear, yadda yadda yadda. Then BAM! nuclear winter....






ok hope not, that would suck sad.gif

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QUOTE (Cacaoatl @ Dec 12 2006, 06:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. The calendar you are referring to is the Maya Long Count Calendar not the Aztec Calendar.

2. This calendar did not predict the end of the world. This belief is the product of linear thinking but the Maya didn't measure time in a linear way but rather in cycles. The key to understanding any Mesoamerican calendar is to remember that they are repetitive.
On the Aztec Tonalpohualli and the Maya Tzolkin (the shorter of their calendars), these repetitive cycles are short enough to be obvious. Every 20 days, the same day name comes around with the same auspices. Every 260 days, the same name and number combinations repeat, giving exactly the same divinitory meanings all over again.

It's all about repitition. The Long Count Calendar was no different except it measures time in cycles of hundreds of years rather than in days, weeks, or months. It was divided in 13 cycles of 400 years, reffered to in the Maya language as baktuns when the 13th baktun passed the calendar reset itself. That's all. While the Maya may have placed a certain importance on the completion of such a cycle, it certainly wasn't anything that those deluded by New Age thought would understand. Trust me, when the 13th baktun passes and the calendar resets itself you'll feel exactly the same as you did...five minutes earlier. No aliens, no vibrating to a higher plane, and no end of the world as we know it.


but the Maya vibrated to a higher plane of existance. . .except for those that didn't?

(cacoatl and I have spent time thumbing through books that have suggested just that, sorry for the slightly off topic joke)

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Very specifically, their calendar "ended" and they prophesized a cataclysm that would kill half of the people in the world. The other half would unite and form a perfect society. The Mayans feared this, but it was not to be the end of the world.

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A controversial Catholic saint's prophechy makes a statement closely concerning "end times" events...

St. Malachy supposedly spoke a prophecy identifying the last 112 popes (from his time forward), stating that this current pope (Benedict XVI) would be the last before "Peter the Roman" would hold the papacy. Since "Petrus Romanus" is the last mentioned, some might believe that this signals the end of an earthly age--especially when one considers the ominous last words of this prophecy: "During the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, the seat will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed his sheep in many tribulations; and when these things are finished, the Seven-hilled City will be destroyed, and the terrible Judge will judge his people."

Since the statements of prophecy are often vague and open to subjectivity, and I am no expert in such matters, who knows what actual meaning might have been intended by this diction. However, if I am to apply this posting to your original query, literal interpretation is necessary.

So, a layman's interpretation of the "prophecy" is stated thus:

2012 => next pope => destruction and judgement

Once again, I'm no expert, and not a Catholic... only an avid religion enthusiast (it was just my second major in college).

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Just a side note for those of you interested/critical of "end-time" theology... the idea was mostly penned and discussed starting in the 1800s by two gentlemen. Cyrus I. Scofield and James H. Brookes wrote about an idea called the "rapture" and dispensational theology was born. Traditionally, Christians have referred to Jesus "Second Coming" as the point that they have a personal experience post-death as a resurrected creation. Additionaly, the book of Revelation(s) was a veiled reference of viewing the evils of Roman persecution for the early church and not an over-mystic book about "the apocalypse."

It seems to mirror other apocalypse or exagerrated accounts of story retelling that other cultures discuss, like the moon turning to blood and stars falling from heaven. The point? Not the end of everything, but something important happening. Use wikipedia for references not understood.

Dispensationalism sucks.

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QUOTE (Lakemonster @ Dec 9 2006, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who knows..... we ,ight get wiped out and alley cats that feased on our bloated bodies may one day evolve an opposable thumb and develope cell phones and iPod's too.


lake....WTF!? haha

personally, i think i am prepared for whatever goes down, just relaxing and enjoing each day.

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QUOTE (james @ Dec 10 2006, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Y2K was definitely lame. In retrospect, my bomb shelter I stocked with fifty years worth of twinkies and some animal DNA to repopulate the earth wasn't the best idea.

Group buy on twinkies anybody?


I'll trade you a garage full of purified consentrated water.

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I got too many things to do before i die, and 2012 isn't enough time to do it all in, so be it a behemoth asteroid, or some crazy mayan end of the world apocalypse, you better beleive i'm not going anywhere. I will survive whatever comes on the day they predict just so i can complete the things i have set for myself.

And for the record... aztecs suck

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The world will not end until 4.2 billion years when the sun goes through its life cycle and melts earth. Thats what I think and by that time humans will be lviing under the sea!

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Just saw Back to the Future for the first time and I laughed my ass off at what they thought 2015 would be like. I don't think it would be much different than what we've got now, except for the predictable automotive and technological advances... Flying cars? Not quite... laugh.gif

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The last bite of a candy bar being ruined is a catastrophy dont draw parallels between that and an apocolypse jeez tongue.gif

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QUOTE (stitcherman @ Mar 6 2007, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
[attachment=157:Landofth...theSlave.jpg]michael tsarion has absolutley the best take on what is goin' on with this 2012 stuff.
he is amazing.

tis a long video but sure keeps your attention and may accually wake you up from captivity !

enjoy

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...+2012&hl=en


Nice, shoving your political views down our throats with something COMPLETELY unrelated to the topic. angry.gif

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Well all i can say is.. im 22... in 6 years i'll be 28 or almost 28. eh. Savings me from dying old and going through cancer or some other ailment that my genetics will hand me in my later years.

As for am i worried? Shit no... I'll probably kill myself 150 other ways before then. By my crotchrocket, my hookah, in my sleep, a heartattack, a house fire, a stray bullet, a car wreck, a flight down the steps or some pissed off person that just had a bad day.

I don't care about an apocolypse. You have to believe in that stuff anyways. Eh. when i die, i'll be (hopefully) cremated some where and if not, and the world does end, i'll be in the dirt and no one will miss me.

So as for now, i don't worry about these kind of things, i kiss my (soon to be husband) and pet my 4 cats before and after work and before bed *much more than that, but you get my point* and go on with my day.

i think this bs is just a way to scare the masses into believing that your soul is in peril and you need to redem yourself before your death. bs!

btw speaking of y2k So how is a our mini y2k7 going so far, isn't it march 9th?

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