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[url="http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3D5rXPrfnU3G0"]http://www.youtube.c...v%3D5rXPrfnU3G0[/url] - Short 18 minute version

[url="http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3Dis9sxRfU-ik"]http://www.youtube.c...v%3Dis9sxRfU-ik[/url] - Full 40 minutes.


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[url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/video-appears-forces-firing-unarmed-suspects-baghdad/"]http://www.foxnews.c...spects-baghdad/[/url]

[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36182383/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/"]http://www.msnbc.msn...ideastn_africa/[/url]

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Unfortunate for them. The news kind of makes it sound like it was a purposeful slaughter of innocents, and I don't think any of us will actually know if that is true or not. Judging from the story, I don't think it was a smart idea for the journalists to walk on into an area that was just a battle zone with attack helicopters still flying ahead with large cameras that look like weapons. Always sad when innocents are casualties of war.
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Its unfortunant that those people died, however as lz stated, why would you walk around a hotzone or recent hotzone with large cameras. Firing on the van may have been a bit much but at the same token in war you kill what you dont know, thats the way its been and will pretty much always will be. Im not sure about the sound from the video given its not that hard to re-edit/ re-phrase peoples voices to sound like something completely different. Its like in all of micheal moores films, same thing.

In short, its too bad it happend, but we dont know the full story, only the story and perspective weve been fed.
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I guess that is why they make body armor with a big "TV" on it, and conspicuous press markings on vehicles, eh? For that matter, there is a special 111a type armor made especially for journalists, that bears easily identifiable, high contrast markings. No doubt reuters staff has access to them. On the other hand, the terrorists don't like the attention from hanging out with highly visible press people.

Pilots followed ROE fine, idiots with cameras did their best to look like hostiles. Under standard rules of engagement, if there is a confirmed armed individual in the group, the group is considered hostile. RPG gunner peaking around the corner is a substantial threat to both the aircraft, and ground personnel, and had to be neutralized. multiple other small arms visible, there was more than sufficient reason to have a high confidence that the shouldered camera bags were demo charges.


Moral of the story, don't look, act, and hang out with tangos while in a live-fire zone. You only get once chance to make some mistakes, they made theirs-Game over. Sucks to be them, but really, just that do you expect, a conflict with no collateral casualties-when the enemy and the idiot-cameramen hang out together, and share wardrobe?

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i watch the 18 min video and Ditto to the above comments . While watching the video it did look like a few of the guys had a rpg tube and a ak now as for the journalist dident look he had anyhtign but a pak but the guys in the chopper had to sue there best judgment . Its really sad it happened the way it did tho

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[img]http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4121/1270518276562.jpg[/img]

On a more serious note, the mere fact that the U.S. government did everything in it's power to keep this a secret kinda indicates it's not as simple as "moronic journalists gettin' what they deserved". Accidents happen, but when they're hidden like this there's bound to be a shitstorm when footage is released.

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[quote name='Namenone' date='05 April 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1270509864' post='462038']

What are your views on this?
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1: Whoever leaked the video should be kicked out of whatever office he/she is currently occupying. They have every right to voice their political opinion, but not giving away what's not theirs or having my tax dollars continue to pay for their salary.


2: Telescoping lenses on the camera while intermingling with armed insurgents? Trying to get a close up shot of the insurgent's nose hair while doing an interview? No offense to journalists, but most of them probably won't give two shit about observing (or even helping) insurgents setting up an attack on coalition forces if it means they can get a good shot of soldiers catching one in the head. In places like Iraq where there are no front lines or designated battlefields, any professional journalists that can get shots of firefights are either: A: Lucky. B: Marathon runners with great hearing that can haul ass to where they identify gunfires are coming from. C: Have prior knowledge of where fighting will occur.

3: Am I the only one wondering how a 22year old got a job as a Reuter's photographer? With a 44 year old as an assistant?

4: Shit happens, and it's those that don't realize this that's living in a video game/movie world where wars are clean. The insurgents (which is a term that I still don't agree with) are the ones that purposely blurred the line between civilian and combatants or actively using civilians as human shields, what else can the US/Coalition forces do in this situation?
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I did not watch the videos yet just read the post here.

any war corespondent knows the dangers they may encounter in the coarse of preforming there job.
and despite mainstream media a few journalist still have integrity.

these people died doing there jobs. they died so that we could know what is truly happening in the world.

the public is supposed to keep the government in line especially during times of war. without men and women risking there lives to report from the battle field how would we know if they stepped out of line in the first place?

Vietnam was a blood bath and many of our troops committed unspeakable acts but it was men like these reporters who risked and often gave there lives to tell us about it and without them that war would have been far worse and cost many many more lives.

the men and women who report now are only doing the same. they may use a camera to shoot the bad guys with but they are no less important then the men and women with the guns.

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Happened to Al Jazeera journalists and two headquartes of the station in the past, it's a serious possibility that they were sending a message.

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Yeah cause you know, ac130's are more then able to zoom in to a microscopic level and see every single thing in a clear 100% picture...

Fucking ridiculous that people are trying to throw a fit about this, these men and women are out there everyday risking their lives, the one time they see a cameraman who has a big ass camera that ironically looks like the exact same shape as the RPG's and AK's they see on a daily basis shooting at them and trying to take them down of course they're going to shoot. It would make 0 sense not to. This is a war.

On top of this, reading the various youtube comments on the video, of course they sound like they're playing a "video game"... they are trained not to think about the lives they may be taking, being sensitive to an enemy force makes you second guess and in reality could be the difference between life or death. Also in reference to this, could any single person handle thinking about they lives they make be taking, i mean that was 8 people, all on that one gun man. IF he chose to think about it rather then play it off during the occurrence he would drive himself mad with depression...

anyways that's only my 2 cents on the matter.
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Well, those guys sounded like they were playing video games. "Just do something, give us a reason" Too eager to engage. Sounded like something they do on a daily basis. Imagine how many of those happen without being leaked like this.

They had no right to shoot at that van.

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It's easy to be an armchair general and second guess someone else.

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[quote name='Namenone' date='05 April 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1270509864' post='462038']
[url="http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3D5rXPrfnU3G0"]http://www.youtube.c...v%3D5rXPrfnU3G0[/url] - Short 18 minute version

[url="http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3Dis9sxRfU-ik"]http://www.youtube.c...v%3Dis9sxRfU-ik[/url] - Full 40 minutes.


[u]News Posts[/u]
[url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/video-appears-forces-firing-unarmed-suspects-baghdad/"]http://www.foxnews.c...spects-baghdad/[/url]

[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36182383/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/"]http://www.msnbc.msn...ideastn_africa/[/url]

What are your views on this?
[/quote]

personally, i don't like how you loaded the thread title. you act as if it were intentional and as if the 'government' ordered these guys to be executed or something...

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[quote name='antouwan' date='29 April 2010 - 02:40 AM' timestamp='1272523259' post='465970']
[quote name='Namenone' date='05 April 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1270509864' post='462038']
[url="http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3D5rXPrfnU3G0"]http://www.youtube.c...v%3D5rXPrfnU3G0[/url] - Short 18 minute version

[url="http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3Dis9sxRfU-ik"]http://www.youtube.c...v%3Dis9sxRfU-ik[/url] - Full 40 minutes.


[u]News Posts[/u]
[url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/video-appears-forces-firing-unarmed-suspects-baghdad/"]http://www.foxnews.c...spects-baghdad/[/url]

[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36182383/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/"]http://www.msnbc.msn...ideastn_africa/[/url]

What are your views on this?
[/quote]

personally, i don't like how you loaded the thread title. you act as if it were intentional and as if the 'government' ordered these guys to be executed or something...
[/quote]

i agree with what is said above.

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[quote name='A13lackFish' date='29 April 2010 - 04:31 PM' timestamp='1272576661' post='466025']
[quote name='antouwan' date='29 April 2010 - 02:40 AM' timestamp='1272523259' post='465970']
[quote name='Namenone' date='05 April 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1270509864' post='462038']
[url="http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3D5rXPrfnU3G0"]http://www.youtube.c...v%3D5rXPrfnU3G0[/url] - Short 18 minute version

[url="http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3Dis9sxRfU-ik"]http://www.youtube.c...v%3Dis9sxRfU-ik[/url] - Full 40 minutes.


[u]News Posts[/u]
[url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/video-appears-forces-firing-unarmed-suspects-baghdad/"]http://www.foxnews.c...spects-baghdad/[/url]

[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36182383/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/"]http://www.msnbc.msn...ideastn_africa/[/url]

What are your views on this?
[/quote]

personally, i don't like how you loaded the thread title. you act as if it were intentional and as if the 'government' ordered these guys to be executed or something...
[/quote]

i agree with what is said above.
[/quote]


so basically you guys are saying the military is not part of the government? because the title simply reads Video Of Government Shooting Journalists. and it was the military that shot them.

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I remember seeing this video when it had ~300k views, never saw this thread though.

[quote name='Jerry' date='06 April 2010 - 08:46 AM' timestamp='1270557967' post='462175']

1: Whoever leaked the video should be kicked out of whatever office he/she is currently occupying. They have every right to voice their political opinion, but not giving away what's not theirs or having my tax dollars continue to pay for their salary.

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It should of been given to Reuters two years ago when they requested the video under the freedom of information act.


As for everything else...

[img]http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3678/5e349a707fcc.gif[/img]

Looks like a Nikon.

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Charley said"Vietnam was a blood bath and many of our troops committed unspeakable acts but it was men like these reporters who risked and often gave there lives to tell us about it and without them that war would have been far worse and cost many many more lives."

As a two tour Vietnam vet, I can say that in my war very few troops commited "unspeakable" acts, It was the media that highlighted that behavior and the use of drugs. Men don't go into combat high, unless they want to get killed. And war itself is an unspeakable act. You make decisions based on saving the lives of your men, snap decision, not well thought out an researched decisions. Innocent people get killed sometimes,but to suggest that the troops in Vietnam were war criminals is a very wrong conclusion.

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It's always nice to hear the truth from someone who was actually there.

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