QUOTE (mushrat @ Sep 16 2007, 01:41 PM) QUOTE (ioannisds @ Sep 16 2007, 03:14 PM) Am I the only one here who thinks a lot of the recurring drama brought upon this forum is because of posts exactly like this one? "So and so keeps coming back and will never learn blah blah blah blah" type posts cause more trouble than if we just forgot about the issue and IGNORED THE DAMN GUY. Mushrat, IMHO, when you post like this, it just brings long forgotten issues to the surface. I really believe that if you ignore someone for long enough, they will go away, but when the limelight shines on them again and again, like in this post, it gives them more of an incentive to cause grief here. Isn't the best way to get rid of trolls just to pretend they aren't there? Call me crazy, but I believe the constant drama on the HF is almost always the doing of the HF itself. EDIT: And Hookah Pro is not a bad forum by any stretch of the imagination. Being I visit both forums regularly, I can honestly say the place is a billion times more chill than this forum is now, though this place used to be quite mellow at one point. Now, don't say my post starts troubles, then post how much mellower the other forum is at the end of you post, it too begs for a reply. My reply is that forum allows people to attck this forum and some of its members, in violation of their oh so sacred "peace policy" but when I post in response to their attacks, *I* get banned. And then they make the posts disappear, but don't do anything to the rejects from this forum who posted in the first place, just me when i respond. It's quiet over there because they allow pricks like boomhouer to post what they want, and then come here and cause problems, but when anyone takes note, its gone and they are gone. I'd say it mellower over there because they don't have the same freedomes you do over here, like making multiple proxie accounts to keep coming back and stirring things up. If say I was to do that same as Boomhauer, it sure as heck wouldn't be mellow over there for long. So if its mellower there, its because you are allowed to say more here...you want security or freedom? Now you're making it sound like HP is sending out Kamikaze fighters to cause trouble over here. This is ridiculous. It's not like HP is saying, "Ok, good job boomhauer. Way to go over to HF and stir up the shit". Give me an effin' break. This is a free country/interweb man. If boomhauer decides to act like an idiot and make a fool of himself over and over again, who's really to stop him? HF and HP are not supposed to act like internet policemen for their members. If this is what you are implying they should do, then you yourself are condoning security over freedom. If I go over to HP and try to cause trouble, are you going to come out and ban me HERE for my actions? If you say yes, well, there goes my freedom I guess. And if you say no, then this place is being run exactly like you suggest HP is. Finally, I read your posts over on HP before you were bounced and they got removed, and they were incredibly inflammatory and intent on causing trouble, just as boomhauer's over here have been. What's the difference then? I'm not picking sides, I'm just saying that the more we talk about it, the worse things get. Always. Look at all the attention brought upon this simple "boomhauer is back" thread and tell me I'm wrong. And calling the folks over at HP "rejects" does nothing to make your stance any more relevant or your argument more powerful. It just makes you look like a petty name-caller. So I'm a reject? Our lovable JD is a reject? Mahir from Nazar Hookah a reject? Well gee, thanks! Yeah, there are losers at BOTH places. Lots over at HP were banned from here for completely retarded reasons, and they are perfectly happy and thriving there now. More power to them I say. If in the end I have to pick, not security over freedom, but being a reject or being an elitist asshole, I'll take the former, thank you very much.